Occupy et son objectif : “regime change”

Occupy et son objectif : “regime change”

Il est désormais bien connu que l’Iran a activé un excellent réseau d’information concernant la situation aux USA. Le site PressTV.com est en pointe dans cette offensive de communication où les Iraniens s’affirment extrêmement doués… C’est une surprise parallèle à celle qu’a suscitée la “capture” du RQ-170, qui montre les capacités technologiques des Iraniens. L’Iran s’affirme comme un adversaire naturel de grande puissance du Système, dans ses deux sous-systèmes que sont le système de la communication et le système du technologisme.

Ces deux derniers jours, PressTV.com a diffusé des interviews intéressantes de membres du mouvement Occupy. Ces interviews montrent que le mouvement est toujours très actif et qu’il est en pleine modification de ses formes d’action après la phase initiale d’occupation de lieux publics. Nous donnons de larges extraits de ces trois interviews, qui montrent que, dans l’esprit de participants au mouvement, le but général a abouti au plus radical, qui est la recherche de la mise en cause complète du capitalisme et la recherche d’un changement du pouvoir américaniste s’apparentant au dessein du “changement de régime” (“regime change”), qui a été jusqu’ici le mot d’ordre de toutes les entreprises subversives du Système dans ses diverses expéditions expansionnistes et ses actions de subversion telles les “révolutions de couleur”.

Nous donnons des extraits importants de trois interviews de membres du mouvement Occupy.

• La première interview, du 12 décembre 2011, est celle de John Dwyer, membre du mouvement Occupy Boston.

Press TV : «Do you see the Occupy movement right now moving in the right direction? There are some that are saying that basically it has been stagnant and that just staying in one spot really is not accomplishing a whole lot. How do you see it?»

John Dwyer : «We've had a dynamic situation here - we've been changing all the time; improving ourselves all the time. This is certainly the second chapter of the history of Occupy Boston. There is some validity to the notion that the Occupation itself i.e. the physical Occupation that we had in Dewey Square, it involved many people just in the process of keeping the Occupation running - dealing with internal problems and the mentally ill and those with substance addiction problems in that camp. So if we want to put a positive spin on it we could say people got interested in doing other things.

»More seriously, we also have a situation where some of the substance addicted and mentally ill people that were part of our community are now left on the streets. While many activists have homes to go to, others do not.

»There's also the situation where a lot of the people who are homeless and became part of our movement from the beginning – they became essential members of this movement – very very important people within the movement. And now we have a challenge on how to keep these people engaged even if they don't have computers and cell phones and the sort of things other people might be using to coordinate their efforts.

»It's really important to us that we don't disenfranchise our brothers and sisters who might have different economic circumstances and different life circumstances than some of the people who are also in the movement and are allowed access to college campuses, houses with computers and that sort of thing.»

Press TV : «What do you think about the idea that the problem is the capitalist system itself? And if you agree with that, why has it become so much more extreme between the haves and the have nots? In decades past the wealth distribution wasn't that heavily concentrated as it is now and the vast differences between… What do you attribute that to?»

John Dwyer : «A lot of this can be attributed to various forms of deregulation that have happened in the US government. Certain rules that were in place have been lifted as multi-national corporations increasing get control over our government processes.

»One of the most popular potential solution that is discussed in the Occupy Boston community is the possibility of constitutional amendments, which would really take money out of politics and therefore level the playing field and hopefully enable the population to put in a politician to better represent the values of the population and who aren't completely in league with multi-national corporations and the ones that just want to accumulate wealth.

»We're in a very transitional time here. The raids that took place yesterday – the people of Boston are not characterizing these as brutal raids. I was present for all these raids – we've built up a relationship with the municipality here and there was a case of police and protesters in many instances calling each other by their first names with those we've come to know and it was done somewhat gently. Police were saying we have to do our job; we were doing ours. And in the wake of it the mayor actually acknowledged what an important thing we did by standing up and making this protest.

»Our next step is to keep meeting; to keep having General Assemblies – right now we're having General Assemblies on Boston Common, which is the oldest park in the US – it's over 400 years old. And there we're deciding. We've identified a lot of problems, but we're still in the process of identifying solutions.

»Some think that capitalism itself has got to go. Others don't agree with that and we're going to reach conclusions through consensus process and then we're going to bring them to a national forum with other Occupations in 2012 and discuss them there and look for ways to change the system for the better.»

• La seconde interview, du 13 décembre 2011 concerne Allen Roland, un chroniqueur sur l’Internet, proche de Occupy, habitant la Californie. L’interview a lieu après une occupation réussie, et un blocage par conséquent, du port d’Oakland la nuit précédente.

Press TV : «What has happened, what we have seen take place today, would you consider it as success and does it show that this movement is actually growing?»

Roland : «Well, once again thank you for having me on your show, but let's not make too big a deal out of this although it is.. does have sympathy. It is interesting what is happening in Los Angeles, they have shut down Oakland [port] and the midnight shift is shut down in Oakland, maybe two to three thousand people. Los Angeles protesters are basically protesting the Goldman Sachs and the cry is 'Occupy the ports, a day without Goldman Sachs,' featuring a caricature of chief executive officer Lloyd C. Blankfein [steering] a shipload of bags of money.

»The company is part owner of Carex, Inc. whose [SAA] marine provids cargo handling services; it is the largest US-owned container terminal operator. So this is really an attack on Goldman Sachs so that is [tied in] with Occupy Wall Street. Therefore, it more like, 'hey we are still around folks and we haven't gone away.' That is what this is sort of like and they still sympathy and they are still getting news coverage. It is up and down the West Coast they have shut down the midnight shift at Oakland because I am very near to Oakland and they are claiming a victory but it is just really a statement that 'we are still here [and] we are not going away.»

Press TV : «Allan, you say you are close to Oakland, let's talk about local media coverage on the story, what is the take that has been given on this situation, this latest move by the Occupy movement?»

Roland : «It is not getting anywhere near the coverage that the first one did and when Scott Olsen was hurt by teargas canister, etc. No it is not getting that much coverage but it still getting coverage, but not major coverage, more like second page coverage.»

Press TV : «How does this in general affect this movement if the mainstream media is not really giving it very much coverage because we are talking now even local stations being in the Oakland area and not really giving it coverage. So of course, the national networks would give it even less perhaps than the local. How significant is this for a movement such as the Occupy movement?»

Roland : «All that the movement wants is to let people know that it is still going on so I don't know whether that is significant or not but the fact is they still close down a port, like they have done in Oakland, and they can cause chaos. The coverage, I don't think, that is particularly important as long as it is getting some coverage but this is beyond having just its presence felt, they are really right now at a point where they are making their mandates clear like, for example, Bernie Sanders' constitutional amendment to stop the corporations from having a voice; that is a reality that has really come out of the Occupy movement. So they are getting close to that second stage that I talked about before we do when the presence is over and now it time for action and part of that action is constitutional amendments. So thus this is a reminder but we are there but we already into that phase where Bernie Sanders constitutional amendment is now becoming a reality.»

Press TV : «December 17th, which will be the three-month anniversary of the Occupy movement, they are calling for widespread demonstrations, do you think that they will be able to get the numbers that they are looking for?»

Roland : «Yes, I do, and for what reason? Because guess what? We still at a not double dip recession but a deep depression, people are still suffering, people are still hurting and their voices are not still being heard. So yes, it will get a response how big I don't know they still have Goldman Sachs on their side, as well they should have Goldman Sachs. Yes, it will get coverage maybe not major but will get but what I am interested in is the constitutional amendment, that will gain the momentum across the country, it is the constitutional amendment where corporations will no longer have a voice, that will be huge.»

• La troisième interview s’adresse notamment à Tighe Barry, un activiste de Occupy Wall Street qui a participé à une marche sur Washington et se trouve actuellement dans la capitale (la vidéo initialme montre d’autres intervenants). Le texte est également du 13 décembre 2011).

Press TV : «When the international community looks at this situation in America, maybe a lot of people would be expecting President Obama or other authorities to address the nation on this, to make an announcement, to say something about it, but what it looks like from outside is that, the government, the authorities, they are not paying attention or deliberately ignoring or not refusing to make any kind of statements. How are you guys feeling about this who are involved in the protest movement in the US?»

Barry : »Here in Washington DC, we have obviously many representatives close at hand. Just today, there was a huge protest at the White House. There were several arrests. People were there en masse to protest the visit of [Nouri] al-Maliki [Iraqi Prime Minister] and to call for another end to the Afghan war and I think the Occupy movement, the unifying message in all the occupies is 'we want dialogue'; we want dialogue with our leadership in Washington DC; we want dialogue with the business community; we want to form a new community.

»We cannot go back to the same old regime; we have to change this regime; we have to change it from the bottom up and I think dialogue is important. I believe our leaders in Washington DC have ignored this. I will give you a perfect example.

»Tea Party had, last year here in Washington DC, maybe 50 people in Upper Senate Park and they had 20 representatives go out there and address their group, not that we want our representatives being addressing our group but we want the representatives to actually sit down with us and listen to what we have. We are offering change, real change; we are offering a new way forward and they need to start dialoguing with us.»

Press TV : «Speaking of what the protesters are demanding and how the government can be responding, as part of the protest movement, what are you expecting from the government? When we are speaking about corporatism here, when we are speaking here about the capitalist system generally here, can the government bring about the changes the people are demanding only with minor surgery? Are you asking the government and the authorities in the US to bring about a fundamental change to the financial system that will undermine the interests of those people who are in power themselves right now?

Barry : «I just have to say my expectations from this government and any government we can elect in the future is going to be extremely low. As you see, 9 percent of the American public believes that Congress is doing a fairly decent job that is 9 percent. I think that everyone realizes that they are doing a great job for the 1 percent, but doing nothing for the 99 percent.

»This government needs to start dialoguing with its people or they are going to continue having the people take to the streets, protest and it will not stop. This movement is not over. We are growing everyday and we will continue to grow and you will see that this government will have to one day sit down and listen to the demands of the people and I hope it comes sooner than later.»

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